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A11Eur0 · May 30, 2009, 04:35 AM // 04:35

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Originally Posted by awesome sauce

Again, you refuse to believe any statement I make. Regardless, you probably do know more about ice cores than me. That doesnt make your argument any less flawed. You're saying that only the antarctic temperatures increase with CO2 in the atmosphere? That doesn't make any sense.

Also, why wouldn't your completely false statement that we're coming out of an ice age nuke your argument? Or that the majority of the world's scientists are indecisive about the cause of global warming? Clearly you have just resorted to finding small inacuracies in my argument because you can no longer sustain your own.

I didn't say that only Antarctic temps increase with CO2, I said that all you're doing is measuring locally. Thing is...that Medieval warm period was measured the same at many different ICE CORE locations. I'm also saying that we only can interpolate global palaeoclimate temperatures, not record them directly. We have only sketchy evidence that increasing CO2 CAUSES increasing temperatures...but it could very well be the opposite. Example: Increase in temperature reduces the solubility of Calcium Carbonate in ocean water. As ocean temps rise, calcium carbonate precipitates out, creating limestone. During periods of tectonism, that limestone is pushed onto land and comes into contact with low-pH ground water, releasing Carbon Dioxide into the atmosphere.

How does my contention that the increase in global temperature is a natural cycle nuke my argument that Global Warming is not a man-made crisis?

How is the fact that we're emerging from an Ice Age a false statement? I'd like to hear that.

The majority of the earth's scientists are unsure about global warming because they don't want to take sides and ruin their careers when the other side wins.

I'm not finding small inaccuracies in your argument, I'm finding LARGE FALSITIES AND HUGE PILES OF STINKY HORSE MANURE in your arguments that you can't even make on your own...all you can do is copy and paste what other people have said on the matter. Me, I'm just going off of what I know based off of my extensive experience in the matter relative to yours.

A11Eur0 · May 30, 2009, 04:41 AM // 04:41

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Originally Posted by awesome sauce

This is completely unscientific. These are merely your own observations. Show me some data, then prove to me why it would be more likely to cause the warming than greenhouse gases.

The sea level change isn't one of the possible causes, it was an effect that I accidentally pasted onto there.

Completely unscientific? An increase in global Seismicity MEANS AN INCREASE IN PLATE TECTONISM. Anyone who knows anything about plate tectonism (obviously not you) knows that the cause of most plate tectonism is rifting processes, which in their own rights are volcanic activity. At the other end of things is the subduction process, which also results in volcanic activity. Increase in seismicity is DIRECTLY CORRELATED with an increase in Volcanism. Look up the Ring of Fire.(not in the game) The entire Pacific Ocean is bordered by active volcanoes and plate boundaries, and there are constant seismic readings being taken from these boundaries.

My own observations, yes. I live in Alaska. I'm 600 miles away from the last two large-scale volcanic eruptions. I'm well aware of many large forest fires that have nearly invaded my town and many others. I'm well aware of the fact that almost 1/3 the land area of Alaska was burning in the summer of 2005, and similar scale wildfires were reported in California and other SHOCK arid climates. Those large forest fires were naturally started and poured a huge amount of CARBON DIOXIDE into the air. Sea level change, aridity, and ocean circulation shifts are all readily observable. As for the remainder of your post: prove that it's not happening.

Also for a prior point that I forgot to touch on: "how can sunspot activity affect the earth's climate?" Um...dude? The earth's surface is heated by the Sun. Any change in the output of the Sun's radiant energy will directly affect the surface and atmospheric temperature of the Earth. Another reason you're a moron.

And as for your repetition: NO I do not take anything you have to say seriously, because your knowledge of the science which you're attempting to quote to me is severely lacking. You've made mistakes about the most basic premises of Global Warming, the Greenhouse Effect and oceanic/atmospheric processes. Why should I take you seriously? Why should I give you any benefit of the doubt when I KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT YOU'RE WRONG?

haggus71 · May 30, 2009, 04:51 AM // 04:51

An interesting fact: average temps have indeed been going up the past 30 years...in direct correlation to increases in solar activity over the past 30 years. Are we to believe that driving Hummers here is causing sunspots to become more active?

The ONLY reason the temperature rise is such a big deal is because 80 percent of humans decided to build their permanent dwellings at sea level. Bring on the warmth, I say! I'm in Asheville, NC. I doubt it's gonna rise 2500 feet, and it'll bring the beach closer to home(tired of having to drive 6 hours).

A11Eur0 · May 30, 2009, 04:55 AM // 04:55

Speaking of seismicity, I just felt the second earthquake we've had in a week.

Last one's epicenter was 2 miles from my house and it just felt like a foreshock...this one was bigger and it's still kinda trembling.

awesome sauce · May 30, 2009, 05:27 AM // 05:27

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Completely unscientific? An increase in global Seismicity MEANS AN INCREASE IN PLATE TECTONISM. Anyone who knows anything about plate tectonism (obviously not you) knows that the cause of most plate tectonism is rifting processes, which in their own rights are volcanic activity. At the other end of things is the subduction process, which also results in volcanic activity. Increase in seismicity is DIRECTLY CORRELATED with an increase in Volcanism. Look up the Ring of Fire.(not in the game) The entire Pacific Ocean is bordered by active volcanoes and plate boundaries, and there are constant seismic readings being taken from these boundaries.

... speaking of horse manure. Give me evidence of this, because I seriously think that you just pulled it out of your ass. The plate only moves at a few centimeters per year anyways, and I doubt that anything short of an asteroid impact could cause it to increase in speed within a period of a couple hundred years. You've been making purely opinionated judgments and marketing them as fact this entire thread. That's how illogical you are.

Show me the evidence that increased volcanism could be a vailid cause for global warming. You do realize that sulfur and ash released in eruptions increases the earth's albedo, right?

Also, I never copy and pasted anything from other people onto my posts besides one line from a wikipedia article. You're making things up now, and it just devalues your arguments that much more.

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

My own observations, yes. I live in Alaska. I'm 600 miles away from the last two large-scale volcanic eruptions. I'm well aware of many large forest fires that have nearly invaded my town and many others. I'm well aware of the fact that almost 1/3 the land area of Alaska was burning in the summer of 2005, and similar scale wildfires were reported in California and other SHOCK arid climates. Those large forest fires were naturally started and poured a huge amount of CARBON DIOXIDE into the air. Sea level change, aridity, and ocean circulation shifts are all readily observable. As for the remainder of your post: prove that it's not happening.

So try and publish this "evidence" in a journal, tell them why you think global warming isn't real because of it, and get laughed at.

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Also for a prior point that I forgot to touch on: "how can sunspot activity affect the earth's climate?" Um...dude? The earth's surface is heated by the Sun. Any change in the output of the Sun's radiant energy will directly affect the surface and atmospheric temperature of the Earth. Another reason you're a moron.

That's not exactly what I said. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I said you need to explain why it would be a more legitimate cause for global warming than greenhouse gases, backed by scientific fact... not your own explanations.

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

And as for your repetition: NO I do not take anything you have to say seriously, because your knowledge of the science which you're attempting to quote to me is severely lacking. You've made mistakes about the most basic premises of Global Warming, the Greenhouse Effect and oceanic/atmospheric processes. Why should I take you seriously? Why should I give you any benefit of the doubt when I KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT YOU'RE WRONG?

I never asked you if you take me seriously. You are just a highly illogical person . Would you care to state which "basic premises" of global warming I've been inaccurate about? All I've done is refute your arguments with what little knowledge I have. I can't imagine what someone who has actually studied it could do.

A11Eur0 · May 30, 2009, 06:07 AM // 06:07

Where's your geoscience or climatology degree? You don't have one? Shut up.

I'm tired of beating my head against your brick wall of an intellect....illogical person yet you backpedal and change your mind at the drop of a pin, usually when I make a point that you can't successfully argue. Sorry, but you're blind AND stupid, if you can't wrap your mind around all the evidence I've placed before you.

Now go recycle your underwear, greenie.

awesome sauce · May 30, 2009, 06:11 AM // 06:11

You can't answer because you know you pulled that out of your ass, just like you did most of your other arguments. What good is the knowledge you obtained from your degree if you just make everything up anyways?

awesome sauce · May 30, 2009, 06:13 AM // 06:13

Also, someone can safely close this thread. It was intelligent debate vs nonsensical namecalling before, but now i've decidedly lowered myself to his level.

Unlucky Slayer · May 30, 2009, 10:07 AM // 10:07

Yeah... This one is done.

Global warming is a joke. Please lets not make any more of these threads cuz you all have shown your inability to have a decent debate without it turning to shit.

*closed*